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Nanood · May 02, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Great idea.. I searched for this idea before posting it again (glad i did or i might get in trouble off the OMFG THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BEFORE brigade)

/signed /signed and double signed.

I don't know how anyone can say adding a % explored is cheating.

Nobody calls standing in the nine rings to win a lucky title while being afk is cheating even though getting the title adds to your chances of recieving bonuses in game.

Anyway.. Great idea..

bhavv · May 02, 2007, 10:17 PM // 22:17

/signed for this 1000000 times.

I have 100% tyria and 97.5% cantha, but just adding a box that tells you how much you have explored isnt devaluing the title at all, just like the vanquisher box doesnt devalue that title.

Freeked I disagree with everything you have said here yet again.

freekedoutfish · May 03, 2007, 09:07 AM // 09:07

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Originally Posted by bhavv

/signed for this 1000000 times.

I have 100% tyria and 97.5% cantha, but just adding a box that tells you how much you have explored isnt devaluing the title at all, just like the vanquisher box doesnt devalue that title.

Freeked I disagree with everything you have said here yet again.

Thats your right to disagree. But the fact that you have 100% on tyria, shows you can more then handle exploration in cantha and elona.

Tyria is the hardest one to do. Cantha and Elona by comparison are easy. You obviously have the knowledge and experience to explore, so why do YOU need % marks?

You know fine well that if you stick to it, you can get that last 2.5% because you did it in Tyria. So how can you disagree with me in saying all it takes is time and dedication?

You, more then anyone else, should appreciate that if you just put the effort in, it CAN BE DONE.

It took me months to explore Tyria, but only about 1 months to explore Cantha and Elona. Thats a fraction of the time. You personally dont need % marks.

Frazzy · May 03, 2007, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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If this is added this title will be completely ruined. Also, this has been mentioned before.

The reason why I do not like this idea is because the point of the title is to explore every area without any help and end up getting 100%. I do not see how someone could want this because people who actually earned the title the right way would be getting cheated, instead of noobs who think it is to hard who think they are being cheated.

bhavv · May 03, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Thats your right to disagree. But the fact that you have 100% on tyria, shows you can more then handle exploration in cantha and elona.

No, i dont think that I could handle exploring tyria, and I doubt that the hundreds of people that needed to use other peoples maps and get map checks on these forums could either.

The explorer title is next to impossible to max if you actually try to do it yourself without 'cheating' by getting map checks i.e help from other people.

Adding a % explored box would allow people to see for themselves where they still need to explore and do it themselves as well.

I am personally sick of having to click back and forth between my in game map of cantha and a 100% one, I want it to be possible for people to max it on their own without requiring outside help, as every other title can be done.

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Originally Posted by Frazzy

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The reason why I do not like this idea is because the point of the title is to explore every area without any help and end up getting 100%.

As I just said, I doubt anyone except the first few people that got 100% explorer managed it without any help. People are already cheating the title with map checks, the method of a % explored box is a lot less unfair then having to rely on other people.

tenshi_strife · May 03, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

ok how would this devalue the title, and feeked im kinda ignoreing your post cause its a "i did it now you have to" post. but for the others you still have to find the aeras your missing all this stops is the mindless wandering in a place you dont have to. also for casual players like myself if i entered an aera and it said i didnt have 100% i would expolere there maybe. but really as of now i dont know what im missing and i cant casually find it.

like i said before anet wants this game to be no grind and more fun and hell it is a game it should be fun. this solves that, cause really this isnt a job *i already got one of those* this is something you do for enjoyment and really who enjoys doing the same thing for hours and hours and hours for months.....

freekedoutfish · May 04, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by tenshi_strife

ok how would this devalue the title, and feeked im kinda ignoreing your post cause its a "i did it now you have to" post. but for the others you still have to find the aeras your missing all this stops is the mindless wandering in a place you dont have to. also for casual players like myself if i entered an aera and it said i didnt have 100% i would expolere there maybe. but really as of now i dont know what im missing and i cant casually find it.

like i said before anet wants this game to be no grind and more fun and hell it is a game it should be fun. this solves that, cause really this isnt a job *i already got one of those* this is something you do for enjoyment and really who enjoys doing the same thing for hours and hours and hours for months.....

Do you not realise how daft is it to ignore it when someone say..

"I did it, so you can do it too"!

...thats the height of lazyness. If you know someone else was able to complete something, using a set method, but your not prepared to put the same time and effort in like they did, then that speaks for you.

"Oh I know it CAN be done if you put enough effort in and do this way. But I dont want to put that effort in because I want it made easier."

Is basically what you just said, from my perspective.

Checking maps, and comparing them is NOT cheating. Its using your initiative.

I consider % marks as cheating, because it requires NO skill at all to find that information. You have it all given to you on the interface and there is no effort at all to find it.

Sharing and comparing maps, requires skill. It requires you communicate with others, check forums, to sit down and flick between layers, to analyse differences. It requires ALOT more initiative then being given some % marks on screen.

And where do you get this impression that Im a hardcore player? You refere to yourself and others as "casual players", like Im not one. I dont sit in Guild Wars for hours on end every night.

I've played maybe 3 hours this entire week.

When I was exploring, I didnt spend every waking hour exploring or comparing maps. I only play the game, and do that stuff when I cant get my mates down the pub.

It took me ages to explore Tyria because I took my sweet time about it. I explore cantha and elona in a much shorter time, because I had experience by then, and their basically easier.

Had I spent every second of my life exploring Tyria, I would have cracked from the stress and frustration. If your getting wound up, then take a break.

You all seem to think, that to explore you need to be playing every waking second. Why is exploring such a big deal to you? why do you need it so badly? why do you need it NOW? why cant you just takes your time, and keep your cool and do a bit of map comparing?

Everyones is "I need 100% NOW, I want it done NOW, I need it NOW"!

I know fine well, alot of you only want exploration because you think its a fast way to make up 3 full titles. You dont actually care for exploration. All you want are the 3 maxed titles to add to you list.

Its could take you a day, or another 6 months to get that last 3, but is it really that big a deal? Exploring is NOT easy. Alot of you start exploring thinking it is, and you soon realise otherwise. Then you start complaining.

Be honest right...

Are you after 100% because you love exploring, because its something you enjoy, because your passioante about it?

Or are you exploring PURELY to get 3 maxed titles, and you picked exploration because you were told its easy?

If you truly loved exploring, then you would enjoy the challenge and you would be willing to compare maps, no matter how long it takes.

tenshi_strife · May 05, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

ok ok one second taht is a lot to respond to.... ok first freekedoutfish calm down dude seriously

second you probably misinterpreting what im saying non of the maps show this only when you enter an aera do you see this so its not a huge deal you still have to check maps and such to see where you have to go this just gives you incentive really to explore. if you enter an area and you see that you havent explored it all then you go an explore it.

third looking at maps is cheating kinda. i know its smart and blah blah but seriously its outside help so its not what the game intended. im not saying dont use outside help because i use guru all the time im just saying taht is not a valid argue ment.

fourth im sorry for ignoreing your post but really like i said the reason i dont want "i did this now you have to too" posts cause everyone with cartographer could say those, i know its a very ignorant move but i want real downsides and upside besides "cheapening" titles, and because many people are lazy the bigger this topic get the less new people will read it so yea but i do see some validity in your worries about makeing the title too easy but this is not that huge of a change. all it does is make you want to explore nothing more.

now i think i got it all....... but feel free to continue to flame the hell outta me *it helps to prove my point ^^*

savage vapor 33 · May 05, 2007, 08:22 AM // 08:22

/notsigned

I'm still at 95% and thats what makes the title semi rare, and hard to attain. Being able to search an area without knowing if you got everything adds to the suspense if you get the title or not.

If you really want to know what you missed, use GIMP or photoshop GG.

Bane of Worlds · May 05, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

/notsigned

*use your head and go find a completed map along with image programs like the ones mentioned above. You could also have others compare your maps to theirs.
*This is useless and would devalue the title.
*This isn't an easy method to get titles. You do it for the challenge and enjoyment.

freekedoutfish · May 06, 2007, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by tenshi_strife

ok ok one second taht is a lot to respond to.... ok first freekedoutfish calm down dude seriously

second you probably misinterpreting what im saying non of the maps show this only when you enter an aera do you see this so its not a huge deal you still have to check maps and such to see where you have to go this just gives you incentive really to explore. if you enter an area and you see that you havent explored it all then you go an explore it.

third looking at maps is cheating kinda. i know its smart and blah blah but seriously its outside help so its not what the game intended. im not saying dont use outside help because i use guru all the time im just saying taht is not a valid argue ment.

fourth im sorry for ignoreing your post but really like i said the reason i dont want "i did this now you have to too" posts cause everyone with cartographer could say those, i know its a very ignorant move but i want real downsides and upside besides "cheapening" titles, and because many people are lazy the bigger this topic get the less new people will read it so yea but i do see some validity in your worries about makeing the title too easy but this is not that huge of a change. all it does is make you want to explore nothing more.

now i think i got it all....... but feel free to continue to flame the hell outta me *it helps to prove my point ^^*

sorry i just get passionate about exploring, cos of all effort and time i put in to it.

the whole % mark idea frustrates me cos its just not needed. the 1000s of carogs prove it isnt needed.

tenshi_strife · May 06, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

^^ dont worry about it and well look at the game how much crap do we have thats not needed but is there to make the game just a bit more fun.... i wont even begin to list em cause it would take 5 pages lol

Swift Thief · May 06, 2007, 10:18 PM // 22:18

/signed

Great idea.

Zexion · May 06, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

/signed to the power of a googolplex!

_Zexion

SerenitySilverstar · May 06, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

This has already been weighed in on - unfortunately - by Gaile in a very similar discussion...elsewhere...which I can't link to...

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Originally Posted by "Gaile from another discussion

First, I want to say that, according to Mike O'Brien, it would be nearly impossible for us to support the request to call out what area an individual has not mapped. This is because we don't store information on a mission-by-mission basis to the degree that we could provide a map showing exactly which pixel cluster was not exposed. If you think of the 3D engine, you can image why. All those angles and surfaces and pathing parameters, all those vantage-points...

Secondly, on a personal note, I'm pretty happy that we actually cannot provide this data because in my opinion, part of the value of acquiring such a title is that is displays a player's persistence and dedication to the cause. When someone gets that title, he or she has made a high level of effort to expose the last bits of the map and get to 100%. Frankly, I don't have GMC on my characters, but I believe that someday I may well try for it. In the meantime, I greatly admire those who have reached this title and I'm proud that we have players with that level of love for and dedication to the game. I would hate to see the titles reduced in value--and I do feel that they would be--if with just a few hours' effort players could easily fill in the blanks and nab themselves a relatively-effortless title.

I hope that doesn't seem like a mean-spirited way to feel, but I really do applaud the Grand Cartographers out there, and I hope that their title will remain a lofty and noteworthy goal.

Mylon · May 07, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

I've been thinking that it's possible that the map revealing could be flawed. It could be that the map is revleaed in "blots" and that these blots are not necessarily evenly placed, but are placed based on where you have traveled. Thus, if there isn't much overlap between these blots, there aren't as many blots, and thus not as much % counting for your title!

Imagine this pair of scenarios. For a given line, you travel around and place revealing blots at the Xs. For the first scenario, a character carefully travels at the edge of the known map to reveal blots, for the second scenario, a character plunges aimlessly into the unknown, often passing near known areas but far enough away that there isn't much overlap.

Scenario 1:
X...X...X...X...X...X

Scenario 2:
X.....X...X......X...

The same amount of area is covered in both scenarios, the blots both have the same radius (3 dots), but because scenario 1 has more overlap, there are more blots. This might explain the "I can't find the last 1% scenarios we keep hearing about.

tenshi_strife · May 07, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

well taht kills my arguement... lol thanks for the post ^^

freekedoutfish · May 07, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by Gaile's post

First, I want to say that, according to Mike O'Brien, it would be nearly impossible for us to support the request to call out what area an individual has not mapped. This is because we don't store information on a mission-by-mission basis to the degree that we could provide a map showing exactly which pixel cluster was not exposed. If you think of the 3D engine, you can image why. All those angles and surfaces and pathing parameters, all those vantage-points...

Secondly, on a personal note, I'm pretty happy that we actually cannot provide this data because in my opinion, part of the value of acquiring such a title is that is displays a player's persistence and dedication to the cause. When someone gets that title, he or she has made a high level of effort to expose the last bits of the map and get to 100%. Frankly, I don't have GMC on my characters, but I believe that someday I may well try for it. In the meantime, I greatly admire those who have reached this title and I'm proud that we have players with that level of love for and dedication to the game. I would hate to see the titles reduced in value--and I do feel that they would be--if with just a few hours' effort players could easily fill in the blanks and nab themselves a relatively-effortless title.

I hope that doesn't seem like a mean-spirited way to feel, but I really do applaud the Grand Cartographers out there, and I hope that their title will remain a lofty and noteworthy goal.

You've gotta love her!!!

\Salutes Gaile

Sjeng · May 07, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32

Well, I have to admit it would be a handy option, but I also have to agree with Gaile here.
I achieved Tyrian GMC by doing exploration untill I had roughly 90%, then I started comparing my map with someone elses. I didn't have access to the arena's, but by meticulously comparing the maps I managed to make 100%, and I even had to add some spots that weren't on the 100% map I used (because that person did have the arena's).
So it did give me a feeling of achievement I probably would not have had, had the game "told" me where to look for unexplored spots.

mr_groovy · May 07, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

<< Tyrian GMC & Canthan GMC working on Elona now.
As Gaile stated it can be done without the %, and it should stay like that. It took me a week to get my last 1% on Tyria. (All GMC of tyria know what i am talking about, especially the ones who started the gmc at about 60% not 0%).
Futhermore this would have the same effect as having a counter for vanquishing saying 200/349 slayed. Just use the resources at hand to accomplish the title what you want.

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